Finding hidden growth opportunities in your product | Albert Cheng (Duolingo, Grammarly, Chess.com)

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Finding hidden growth opportunities in your product | Albert Cheng (Duolingo, Grammarly, Chess.com)
Albert Cheng has led growth at three of the world’s most successful consumer subscription companies: Duolingo, Grammarly, and Chess.com. A former Google product manager (and serious pianist!), Albert developed a unique approach to finding and scaling growth opportunities through rapid experimentation and deep user psychology. His teams run 1,000/year, discovering counterintuitive insights that have driven tens of millions in revenue. *What you’ll learn:* 1. How to use the explore–exploit framework to find new growth opportunities 2. How showing premium features to free users doubled Grammarly’s upgrades to paid plans 3. What good retention looks like for a consumer subscription app 4. Why resurrected users drive 80% of mature product growth 5. Why “reverse trials” work better than time-based trials 6. The three pillars of successful gamification: core loop, metagame, and profile *Brought to you by:* Vanta—Automate compliance. Simplify security: https://vanta.com/lenny Jira Product Discovery—Confidence to build the right thing: https://atlassian.com/lenny Miro—A collaborative visual platform where your best work comes to life: https://miro.com/lenny *Transcript:* https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/how-to-find-hidden-growth-opportunities-albert-cheng *My biggest takeaways (for paid newsletter subscribers):* https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/i/174369960/my-biggest-takeaways-from-this-conversation *Where to find Albert Cheng:* • X: https://x.com/albertc248 • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/albertcheng1/ • Chess.com: https://www.chess.com/member/Goniners *Where to find Lenny:* • Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com • X: https://twitter.com/lennysan • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/ *In this episode, we cover:* (00:00) Introduction to Albert Cheng (04:25) From classical pianist to growth leader (09:37) The explore and exploit framework for growth (15:19) How to know when to explore vs. exploit (16:34) Using AI to accelerate growth experimentation (20:42) Grammarly’s biggest monetization win (24:36) Freemium vs. trial models for subscription products (28:03) What retention rates you need for subscription success (32:06) The importance of resurrected users (34:35) Differences between Duolingo, Grammarly, and Chess.com (45:53) How AI is changing Chess.com (51:19) How AI is changing the growth role (53:47) Tips for running successful experiments at scale (57:22) How to shift company culture toward experimentation (1:01:19) Key lessons from running experiments at scale (01:04:41) The three pillars of successful gamification (1:07:50) The most counterintuitive lesson about building teams (01:10:38) Deciding what size company is a good fit (1:13:28) Failure corner (1:16:42) Lightning round and final thoughts *Referenced:* • How Duolingo reignited user growth: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/how-duolingo-reignited-user-growth • Inside ChatGPT: The fastest-growing product in history | Nick Turley (Head of ChatGPT at OpenAI): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/inside-chatgpt-nick-turley • Explore vs. Exploit: https://brianbalfour.com/quick-takes/explore-vs-exploit • Grammarly: https://www.grammarly.com/ • Reforge: https://www.reforge.com/ • Chess.com: https://www.chess.com/ • Everyone’s an engineer now: Inside v0’s mission to create a hundred million builders | Guillermo Rauch (founder & CEO of Vercel, creators of v0 and Next.js): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/everyones-an-engineer-now-guillermo-rauch • Building Lovable: $10M ARR in 60 days with 15 people | Anton Osika (CEO and co-founder): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/building-lovable-anton-osika • Figma: https://www.figma.com/ • Cursor: https://cursor.com/ • The rise of Cursor: The $300M ARR AI tool that engineers can’t stop using | Michael Truell (co-founder and CEO): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/the-rise-of-cursor-michael-truell • Claude Code: https://www.anthropic.com/claude-code • GitHub Copilot: https://github.com/features/copilot • Noam Lovinsky on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/noaml/ • The happiness and pain of product management | Noam Lovinsky (Grammarly, Facebook, YouTube, Thumbtack): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/the-happiness-and-pain-of-product • Kyla Siedband on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kylasiedband/ ...References continued at: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/how-to-find-hidden-growth-opportunities-albert-cheng *Recommended books:* • Snuggle Puppy!: A Little Love Song: https://www.amazon.com/Snuggle-Puppy-Little-Boynton-Board/dp/1665924985 • Ogilvy on Advertising: https://www.amazon.com/Ogilvy-Advertising-David/dp/039472903X • Dark Squares: How Chess Saved My Life Hardcover: https://www.amazon.com/Dark-Squares-Chess-Saved-Life/dp/1541703286 _Production and marketing by https://penname.co/._ _For inquiries about sponsoring the podcast, email podcast@lennyrachitsky.com._ Lenny may be an investor in the companies discussed.
Finding hidden growth opportunities in your product | Albert Cheng (Duolingo, Grammarly, Chess.com)
Here are the key takeaways from Albert Cheng's talk on "Finding hidden growth opportunities in your product" (Duolingo, Grammarly, Chess.com):
  • Explore–Exploit Framework: Growth teams must balance exploring new ideas (searching for new “mountains” to climb) with exploiting what’s already working. Too much exploration leads to scatter; too much exploitation can saturate and stagnate. Use insights from experiments across the product and expand successful tactics to adjacent areas for maximum impact.
  • Rapid Experimentation: Teams like Albert's run upwards of 1,000 experiments a year—this is a cultural shift requiring founder/leadership support and fast, lightweight experimentation frameworks. Wins must be shared broadly and celebrated to propagate a culture of experimentation across the org.
  • Human Psychology Insight: Sometimes, counterintuitive user behaviors happen, as with Chess.com’s game review feature: users are most likely to review after a win, not a loss. Surfacing positive feedback after failure dramatically boosted engagement and retention.
  • Monetization Strategies: At Grammarly, offering samples of premium features to free users—rather than restricting purely to basic spellcheck—doubled rates of upgrade to paying plans. “Reverse trial” (feature-limited but ongoing) works better than short time-based trials for converting users.
  • Retention Is Golden: For consumer subscription apps, user retention is key. Target daily retention rates of 30–40% for strong health. Mature products obtain most growth (~80%) from “resurrected users”—previously dormant accounts that return. Activation/onboarding is critical especially for products infrequently opened (like Grammarly).
  • Gamification Pillars: Build habits and motivation by focusing on:
    • The core loop (tight feedback and reward cycle for daily habit)
    • The metagame (leaderboards, achievements for long-term motivation)
    • The profile (visible investment and progression over time)
  • Applying AI for Growth: Use AI tools (like data retrieval bots, prototyping tools with v0, Figma Make, Cursor, Claude Code) to answer ad hoc data questions, accelerate prototyping, and empower experimentation. The challenge lies in integrating these tools across functions to streamline actual shipping-to-production.
  • Cultural Lessons: Building high-performing teams often means hiring for agency and fast learning—not always for deep experience. Especially as AI disrupts fields, old habits can be a liability; seek high-energy, adaptable personalities and foster beginner’s mindsets.
  • Retention and Virality Tactics: Both through delighting users in unexpectedly positive ways and tapping into naturally viral product moments (like Duolingo’s streaks), growth comes from leaning into what organically works and amplifying it.
  • Systems Matter: Robust experiment tracking, the right growth model, and correct instrumentation are foundational—misconfigurations can derail lessons. The company-wide system for running and learning from experiments is as important as the experiments themselves.
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